Ok, let's break this down. When you know how something works, you are able to either work around it or break it. In the realm of competitive games such as chess or E-sports this is a problem. So keeping a system that prevents cheating secret makes sense.
'I thought lichess had the interest of their players at heart.'
Completely wrong
Lichess plans and executes keeping our playing experience in mind, not interests, because some interests can be senseless as yours
I don't think you have read #5. It's a clear cut explanation as to why lichess won't reveal these details.
You say that you are discussing with respect, but it doesn't look like you are paying heed to opinions which are against you. It might as well be advised to other normal viewers to ignore this thread
Completely wrong
Lichess plans and executes keeping our playing experience in mind, not interests, because some interests can be senseless as yours
I don't think you have read #5. It's a clear cut explanation as to why lichess won't reveal these details.
You say that you are discussing with respect, but it doesn't look like you are paying heed to opinions which are against you. It might as well be advised to other normal viewers to ignore this thread
"You say that you are discussing with respect, but it doesn't look like you are paying heed to opinions which are against you. It might as well be advised to other normal viewers to ignore this thread"
I'm sorry if i don't speak so well english, but i think to be respectful of all your comments, and i would like to apologize.
With the eyes of a stranger I look stubborn but simply i'm not agree with this way to see this policy.
Your ideas don't match mine.
"Ok, let's break this down. When you know how something works, you are able to either work around it or break it. In the realm of competitive games such as chess or E-sports this is a problem. So keeping a system that prevents cheating secret makes sense."
I appreciated this answer, thank you, but,..... you got the point.
While this policy serves to prevent cheating by unfair players, on the other hand you'll have to ask how our games are treated?
It's like owning a short blanket
I'm sorry if i don't speak so well english, but i think to be respectful of all your comments, and i would like to apologize.
With the eyes of a stranger I look stubborn but simply i'm not agree with this way to see this policy.
Your ideas don't match mine.
"Ok, let's break this down. When you know how something works, you are able to either work around it or break it. In the realm of competitive games such as chess or E-sports this is a problem. So keeping a system that prevents cheating secret makes sense."
I appreciated this answer, thank you, but,..... you got the point.
While this policy serves to prevent cheating by unfair players, on the other hand you'll have to ask how our games are treated?
It's like owning a short blanket
I assume the exact workings of the anti cheating measures will remain secret for the same reason that police and night guards don't publish the route they are going to patrol beforehand.
Any cheating / engine use mark can be appeared, see here: lichess.org/contact#help-appeal-cheat
Any cheating / engine use mark can be appeared, see here: lichess.org/contact#help-appeal-cheat
@JackStone73 "I thought lichess had the interest of their players at heart." Lol.
You thought wrong. Lichess is all about making money, just about everything open to the masses is. The overwhelming majority like to have a cheatless experience, and the overwhelming majority of players think that if how they reveal how they detect cheaters is revealed, cheaters will work around it, thus, damaging the interest of players, which is well, you know, how they make money.
Your request may damage their income in the short term. Responding to your requests is bad for business. If you leave because they didnt responded to you wont affect anyone.
You thought wrong. Lichess is all about making money, just about everything open to the masses is. The overwhelming majority like to have a cheatless experience, and the overwhelming majority of players think that if how they reveal how they detect cheaters is revealed, cheaters will work around it, thus, damaging the interest of players, which is well, you know, how they make money.
Your request may damage their income in the short term. Responding to your requests is bad for business. If you leave because they didnt responded to you wont affect anyone.
You want transparency?
Here it is, trained with millions of cheater's games vs. normal games.
github.com/clarkerubber/irwin
Here it is, trained with millions of cheater's games vs. normal games.
github.com/clarkerubber/irwin
"It's like hitting my head against a rubber wall"
Possibly not for the first time.
Possibly not for the first time.
My questions are not intended to "help the cheaters" but to understand how moderators control.
I fully understand that the algorithm cannot "be revealed" but I didn't think that the work of the moderators was so .... secret.
After all, I just wanted to understand how they do their jobs.
Asking is lawful, answering is courtesy. I didn't think I was getting a lot of sarcastic replies.
I fully understand that the algorithm cannot "be revealed" but I didn't think that the work of the moderators was so .... secret.
After all, I just wanted to understand how they do their jobs.
Asking is lawful, answering is courtesy. I didn't think I was getting a lot of sarcastic replies.
@JackStone73
Ok, then does your own country tell your military secrets and info?
Ok, then does your own country tell your military secrets and info?
Oh please, @Aiden_Chen, we're talking about two DIFFERENT things. C'mon, don't be too serious. It's only chess.
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