IM lovlas post #39 is not offensive or as you say (Shi*) what are you thinking. I am asking you to stop your baseless accusations because you have said things that are as offensive. If you respond again I will officially ask lichess to ask. If you must respond private message me
Offensive is not equal to swear words. Swear words are a natural part of every language. On the other hand implying someone is a fraud is highly offensive.
If you are gonna behave like an idiot you should be prepared to be labelled as such.
I wish you good luck with your "official" contact with lichess.
If you are gonna behave like an idiot you should be prepared to be labelled as such.
I wish you good luck with your "official" contact with lichess.
On-topic: I find it somewhat strange that everyone here can advertise for his own business. But ok, that‘s the rules here.
Life-hack: don‘t mess with mods, they usually don’t discuss about their role. In contrast to regular forum users they are on top of the food chain.
Life-hack: don‘t mess with mods, they usually don’t discuss about their role. In contrast to regular forum users they are on top of the food chain.
Why you buullying
@bak000za You're confusing me with someone else I simply said that the way his ad was posted was clearly the same way a snake oil salesman pitches his stuff. I attacked his message because I could tell what he was doing, thats called experience within psychology. I did recommend my own coach over him, but thats because it's a proper etiquette just as again if you stopped a good friend from using a known bad repair shop or from going to the worst restaurant in town you would offer a different place instead for them to do business with that you knew was of quality.
@lovlas
> Can he call his lessons masterclasses? Of course he can. Get
> your heads outta your asses.
This is perhaps directed at me. As i said before: i actually attended master classes - *after* finishing my studies at the Vienna Conservatory and when already playing at a professional level. Master classes are the place where one who is already on a professional level gets tought the nuances to get from "professional" to "exceptional" from some such renowned exceptional artist.
If you care to read at wikipedia (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_class) you will find out that Franz Liszt invented them - not some third-rate and today forgotten composer but one of the leading masters at his time. Search in Google or Youtube for the term (hint: the way it is correctly written, "master class", not the way you wrote it, "masterclass", which is a private organisation in the US) and you find the teachers: Michael Caine (acting) Martin Scorsese (directing), Andres Segovia (guitar), John Williams (guitar), András Schiff (piano) and so on - all of them world class in their respective arts. Do you think these people were/are in their respective fields what an FM is in chess? You should know yourself that "somewhat below 2300" is quite impressive for an amateur but one would need at least 200 Elo more to even think about becoming a professional. To become a "leading master" in the field of chess even a lot more is required. Just because i have a garage band and my mom is proud of how we played in that gig last year doesn't mean i have what it takes to hold "master classes" either, even if the above implies that i play my instrument better than most other amateurs.
Btw.: You may be able to follow this analogy even without pulling your head out of anywhere.
Can he call what he does "masterclass"? Of course he can. Everybody is free to call everything however one pleases. Its not against any law to call a table "couch" and the couch "table" - just be prepared to be accused of "misrepresentation" by the majority who has agreed on a different set of terms. And, by your own admission, if anybody can call anything whatever one wants (including an FM teaching basics to some children and calling that "masterclasses" [sic!]) why shouldn't i be free to call whatever i want "misrepresentation" or "inappropriate use of terms"? Or "marketing mumbo-jumbo"?
So, once you pull your head out from whereever it might be now you may also notice that even though i admittedly "know hardly the rules of chess" (#19 - what can i say, i never cared to learn the game) I haven't "bullied" (#19) him at all. Or, maybe, "bullied" means to reasonably argue at length why one feels that his marketing effort is badly phrased in your dictionary? Sorry in this case for not speaking lovlas fluently, i only know standard english.
krasnaya
(PS: if indeed speaking lovlas is required to contribute here: please ban me - preferably for life. I can already guarantee today that i will always - #42 - stay a layman in languages where the dictionary is arbitrarily undefined.)
> Can he call his lessons masterclasses? Of course he can. Get
> your heads outta your asses.
This is perhaps directed at me. As i said before: i actually attended master classes - *after* finishing my studies at the Vienna Conservatory and when already playing at a professional level. Master classes are the place where one who is already on a professional level gets tought the nuances to get from "professional" to "exceptional" from some such renowned exceptional artist.
If you care to read at wikipedia (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_class) you will find out that Franz Liszt invented them - not some third-rate and today forgotten composer but one of the leading masters at his time. Search in Google or Youtube for the term (hint: the way it is correctly written, "master class", not the way you wrote it, "masterclass", which is a private organisation in the US) and you find the teachers: Michael Caine (acting) Martin Scorsese (directing), Andres Segovia (guitar), John Williams (guitar), András Schiff (piano) and so on - all of them world class in their respective arts. Do you think these people were/are in their respective fields what an FM is in chess? You should know yourself that "somewhat below 2300" is quite impressive for an amateur but one would need at least 200 Elo more to even think about becoming a professional. To become a "leading master" in the field of chess even a lot more is required. Just because i have a garage band and my mom is proud of how we played in that gig last year doesn't mean i have what it takes to hold "master classes" either, even if the above implies that i play my instrument better than most other amateurs.
Btw.: You may be able to follow this analogy even without pulling your head out of anywhere.
Can he call what he does "masterclass"? Of course he can. Everybody is free to call everything however one pleases. Its not against any law to call a table "couch" and the couch "table" - just be prepared to be accused of "misrepresentation" by the majority who has agreed on a different set of terms. And, by your own admission, if anybody can call anything whatever one wants (including an FM teaching basics to some children and calling that "masterclasses" [sic!]) why shouldn't i be free to call whatever i want "misrepresentation" or "inappropriate use of terms"? Or "marketing mumbo-jumbo"?
So, once you pull your head out from whereever it might be now you may also notice that even though i admittedly "know hardly the rules of chess" (#19 - what can i say, i never cared to learn the game) I haven't "bullied" (#19) him at all. Or, maybe, "bullied" means to reasonably argue at length why one feels that his marketing effort is badly phrased in your dictionary? Sorry in this case for not speaking lovlas fluently, i only know standard english.
krasnaya
(PS: if indeed speaking lovlas is required to contribute here: please ban me - preferably for life. I can already guarantee today that i will always - #42 - stay a layman in languages where the dictionary is arbitrarily undefined.)
Begone troll. You shall not pass!
A day or so back, I thought to weigh-in. Read the history, was going to cite some #Posts.
While I don't like shameless plugging, I also understand that people are trying to make a living (and, though I dislike "sales" pitches, not good at that kind of crap personally speaking, at the least I understand it). Therein, or, Herein, anybody involved in sales pitches should have a thick-skin and a strong back-bone, and be prepared to exhibit psychological resilience (bounce-back, ignore the negativity, etc, OR, opposed to normative people, be a sociopath who simply doesn't care).
Bottom line: "masterclass" can be used. The individual has earned a mastery title. It may not be up-to-par with what people think about a top-tier "master," in any given domain, per the traditional usage of the term, but ... if you consider the fact that someone granted a master's title is above 2-3 SD from the Mean ... well, speaks for itself. (A person earning a master's title has so earned it, and thus earned the right to that particular egotistical boast.)
And again, for that matter, at the point someone has earned a title in the chess world, at least a few of the person's tournament games have been published. (The same as you can go look-up and cite a person's FIDE profile, you can also dig-up the games. So, making that argumentative point that a person should share his or her games to prove his or her bona-fides is irrelevant and pointless and misplaced.)
For perspective, many of those who are top-tier (professionals, earning money for a living, doing something of an art-form that most will never understand) can demand exceptional fees (out of reach for most; select students only) for the likes of "masterclass," versus something more "economical" by someone who is a master, but, not a top-tier master.
Then again, instead of paying someone poke you with a stick, you could "economically" research the games of masters, spend the same time you would pay someone else to baby you along, and learn on your own, or kibitz with a friend.
At the point you attend any haute academy (i.e. conservatory of any high form of a technical skill or art form) ... this is already or almost beyond the reach of most, both economically, and in terms of numbers. But people still learn. I'm a classically trained musician, but, I've never attended a conservatory. (And you wouldn't pay or like me poking you with a stick, but, I'll still critique your work and poke you with a stick just for the fun of it. On the other hand, I don't have a computer science degree either, but, people pay me to poke them with fire-branded code even though I don't have a recognizable name outside of local and specific software development circles.)
Finally -- @krasnaya -- don't take anything @lovlas says personally. I'm mostly on the same page as lovlas, but, I also see and agree with your point.
While I don't like shameless plugging, I also understand that people are trying to make a living (and, though I dislike "sales" pitches, not good at that kind of crap personally speaking, at the least I understand it). Therein, or, Herein, anybody involved in sales pitches should have a thick-skin and a strong back-bone, and be prepared to exhibit psychological resilience (bounce-back, ignore the negativity, etc, OR, opposed to normative people, be a sociopath who simply doesn't care).
Bottom line: "masterclass" can be used. The individual has earned a mastery title. It may not be up-to-par with what people think about a top-tier "master," in any given domain, per the traditional usage of the term, but ... if you consider the fact that someone granted a master's title is above 2-3 SD from the Mean ... well, speaks for itself. (A person earning a master's title has so earned it, and thus earned the right to that particular egotistical boast.)
And again, for that matter, at the point someone has earned a title in the chess world, at least a few of the person's tournament games have been published. (The same as you can go look-up and cite a person's FIDE profile, you can also dig-up the games. So, making that argumentative point that a person should share his or her games to prove his or her bona-fides is irrelevant and pointless and misplaced.)
For perspective, many of those who are top-tier (professionals, earning money for a living, doing something of an art-form that most will never understand) can demand exceptional fees (out of reach for most; select students only) for the likes of "masterclass," versus something more "economical" by someone who is a master, but, not a top-tier master.
Then again, instead of paying someone poke you with a stick, you could "economically" research the games of masters, spend the same time you would pay someone else to baby you along, and learn on your own, or kibitz with a friend.
At the point you attend any haute academy (i.e. conservatory of any high form of a technical skill or art form) ... this is already or almost beyond the reach of most, both economically, and in terms of numbers. But people still learn. I'm a classically trained musician, but, I've never attended a conservatory. (And you wouldn't pay or like me poking you with a stick, but, I'll still critique your work and poke you with a stick just for the fun of it. On the other hand, I don't have a computer science degree either, but, people pay me to poke them with fire-branded code even though I don't have a recognizable name outside of local and specific software development circles.)
Finally -- @krasnaya -- don't take anything @lovlas says personally. I'm mostly on the same page as lovlas, but, I also see and agree with your point.
@MrCharles said:
> Bottom line: "masterclass" can be used. The individual has
> earned a mastery title.
Again: this is NOT the point! A "master class" is a class for (young) masters to be tought by an (exceptional) master. The question is not the qualification of the teacher (although to call an FM an "exceptional master" would be quite some stretch) it's the qualification of the pupils! Teach anyone not already a master in the respective field and what you do is not a "master class", it is simply a "class". Any school teacher has earned a university degree, so s/he is a "master" in his field. Do we call them teaching first graders how to read "literacy master classes"? No, we simply call them classes! We call "master classes" not simply "classes" for a a similar reason: to distingish them from "classes".
And again: you can call anything any name. But some names will then be misleading.
In addition, if you have followed my master-argument in which i used master-logic and master-semantics masterfully ...
You see? Adding "master" arbitrarily doesn't make it "better", just sounding like drivel.
On an unrelated side note:
> don't take anything @lovlas says personally
I fail to see how to take being called "troll" (#47) and "idiot" (#42) and being told to "get [my] head outta (sic!) [my] ass" (#19) other than personally, as it was directed against me or a group including me. I just don't take him seriously and will simply ignore what he writes from now on. He is like the kid who pesters everybody in an otherwise silent room with his loud ghettoblaster - one sighs, thinks that someone has failed to teach the brat some manners - and carries on with ones life. He asserts he is studying law - i suppose the judge or the opponent lawyer will tell him soon enough what is and what is not acceptable if he acts in court with the same attitude as here.
krasnaya
> Bottom line: "masterclass" can be used. The individual has
> earned a mastery title.
Again: this is NOT the point! A "master class" is a class for (young) masters to be tought by an (exceptional) master. The question is not the qualification of the teacher (although to call an FM an "exceptional master" would be quite some stretch) it's the qualification of the pupils! Teach anyone not already a master in the respective field and what you do is not a "master class", it is simply a "class". Any school teacher has earned a university degree, so s/he is a "master" in his field. Do we call them teaching first graders how to read "literacy master classes"? No, we simply call them classes! We call "master classes" not simply "classes" for a a similar reason: to distingish them from "classes".
And again: you can call anything any name. But some names will then be misleading.
In addition, if you have followed my master-argument in which i used master-logic and master-semantics masterfully ...
You see? Adding "master" arbitrarily doesn't make it "better", just sounding like drivel.
On an unrelated side note:
> don't take anything @lovlas says personally
I fail to see how to take being called "troll" (#47) and "idiot" (#42) and being told to "get [my] head outta (sic!) [my] ass" (#19) other than personally, as it was directed against me or a group including me. I just don't take him seriously and will simply ignore what he writes from now on. He is like the kid who pesters everybody in an otherwise silent room with his loud ghettoblaster - one sighs, thinks that someone has failed to teach the brat some manners - and carries on with ones life. He asserts he is studying law - i suppose the judge or the opponent lawyer will tell him soon enough what is and what is not acceptable if he acts in court with the same attitude as here.
krasnaya
A world-class trainer doesn’t need to have a top rating necessarily, does he?
If one calls it „master“ class - so fuckin‘ what?
If one calls it „master“ class - so fuckin‘ what?
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