In the end, most of these threads simply boil down to "wouldn't life be nice if somehow, dickheads would change their behaviour?".
That, my friend, is what we call "pissing into the wind".
That, my friend, is what we call "pissing into the wind".
@GyrythII yes, indeed!
To reply to the OP with a different view - I had a game a little while ago where my opponent and I made a series of awful blunders. He lost a queen, I blundered nearly into checkmate and lost my own queen...it was awful. Then he blundered the exchange (rook for knight, I think) - and resigned! I was actually offended! Who does he think I am, some AI that can grind out a win from a +1.5 position? Always expect your opponent to play on. If they resign then count it as a free win where you didn't have to go through the trauma of racing those pawns to the end with 3 seconds left on the clock!
To reply to the OP with a different view - I had a game a little while ago where my opponent and I made a series of awful blunders. He lost a queen, I blundered nearly into checkmate and lost my own queen...it was awful. Then he blundered the exchange (rook for knight, I think) - and resigned! I was actually offended! Who does he think I am, some AI that can grind out a win from a +1.5 position? Always expect your opponent to play on. If they resign then count it as a free win where you didn't have to go through the trauma of racing those pawns to the end with 3 seconds left on the clock!
carlsen is cocky, however, he's self aware he's cocky and he's also the world champ for many many years. cockiness without self awareness and ability is arrogance I reckon, and the arrogance in this thread is thick. everyone on lichess is equal and if you don't like how your equals play, don't play.
Carlsen act as an infant kid, no doubt. Watch his reactions when he lose.
He is the No.1, but his personality is hilarious. He probably living only in chess world which is quite sad for a grown man. He have 30, IIRC.
He is the No.1, but his personality is hilarious. He probably living only in chess world which is quite sad for a grown man. He have 30, IIRC.
@Eleuthero
I hope you can bare with me, despite my lack of language skills (certainly inferior than my ability to hit the dislike button). I find funny how you are so sure about the angriness of chess players just because some of your experiences in a website are compatible with your lecture on some pictures of GMs shaking hands. That is confirmation bias. And then you consider yourself to be a paladin of logic and reasoning!
There is no a single, correct way of playing chess, and sometimes what our opponent does it's different from what we would do. Sometimes that is difficult to deal with, it happens to me too. But I see you have found a way to consider yourself better than your lowly ANGRY opponent, so good for you! You also consider all of us illiterate downvoters and annoying missing-the-point-repliers inferior to you, so I wonder why you keep wasting your time writing here, seeing that you cannot stand to play 15 moves in a winning position.
Seems to me that, at least on this thread, you are the one who is really angry. Angry with people not acting like you consider they should when they are losing a game. Angry with people not replying to your post the way you think they should. I don't think any of your responses cualifies as gentlemanly, either. It's like you are seeing a mote in everyone else's eye.
I hope you can bare with me, despite my lack of language skills (certainly inferior than my ability to hit the dislike button). I find funny how you are so sure about the angriness of chess players just because some of your experiences in a website are compatible with your lecture on some pictures of GMs shaking hands. That is confirmation bias. And then you consider yourself to be a paladin of logic and reasoning!
There is no a single, correct way of playing chess, and sometimes what our opponent does it's different from what we would do. Sometimes that is difficult to deal with, it happens to me too. But I see you have found a way to consider yourself better than your lowly ANGRY opponent, so good for you! You also consider all of us illiterate downvoters and annoying missing-the-point-repliers inferior to you, so I wonder why you keep wasting your time writing here, seeing that you cannot stand to play 15 moves in a winning position.
Seems to me that, at least on this thread, you are the one who is really angry. Angry with people not acting like you consider they should when they are losing a game. Angry with people not replying to your post the way you think they should. I don't think any of your responses cualifies as gentlemanly, either. It's like you are seeing a mote in everyone else's eye.
Had a similar experience just now. he refused to resign and let the full 10 minutes run down so that i had to wait like a dumbo.
@juggernaut78 : That is not what this discussion is about. Just letting the time run down is blatantly rude, there is really no need to discuss that. But @Eleuthero was talking of playing on when the game is really lost.
@Coomassie : We obviously share inferior language skills. Too bad.
@Coomassie : We obviously share inferior language skills. Too bad.
@Coomassie
It's not "confirmation bias". It's called a DATA POINT. I never overestimated my reasoning skills. I did denigrate the lack of such skills in a couple of other posters but to claim, ergo, that I see myself as a "paladin of logic and reasoning" is just you being a drama queen.
As to my central contention that chess players are way, way above average in their possession of anger, I stand by it. Show me even a single photo of two GMs before and after a game where both are looking the other player in the eye and smiling in a friendly way. Outside of Grischuk's friendship with Svidler I can't even think of pairs of active super-GMs who are fast friends.
I've only been here on Lichess.org for a week more than two months and in that rather short span of time I've had no less than a couple dozen occurrences of players leaving a table instead of resigning. You can't find me a competitive game (like, say, backgammon, bridge, etc.) where this happens in normal praxis.
Finally, because I'm very displeased at players taking out their anger on their opponent like this you claim that I'm the angriest
of all. I have NEVER left a table in a lost position. I have NEVER played a position down an enormous amount of material with absolutely no chance of winning or swindling or flagging. You can make all the claims you want about my displeasure with such ubiquitous characters but the only thing that matters to me, and the only thing that should matter to you, is whether chess does or doesn't have an abundance of really, really bad losers. I claim that if you deny this then you are in the "see no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil" camp.
Chess has an inordinate number of bad losers and angry players. Do you deny it or not?
It's not "confirmation bias". It's called a DATA POINT. I never overestimated my reasoning skills. I did denigrate the lack of such skills in a couple of other posters but to claim, ergo, that I see myself as a "paladin of logic and reasoning" is just you being a drama queen.
As to my central contention that chess players are way, way above average in their possession of anger, I stand by it. Show me even a single photo of two GMs before and after a game where both are looking the other player in the eye and smiling in a friendly way. Outside of Grischuk's friendship with Svidler I can't even think of pairs of active super-GMs who are fast friends.
I've only been here on Lichess.org for a week more than two months and in that rather short span of time I've had no less than a couple dozen occurrences of players leaving a table instead of resigning. You can't find me a competitive game (like, say, backgammon, bridge, etc.) where this happens in normal praxis.
Finally, because I'm very displeased at players taking out their anger on their opponent like this you claim that I'm the angriest
of all. I have NEVER left a table in a lost position. I have NEVER played a position down an enormous amount of material with absolutely no chance of winning or swindling or flagging. You can make all the claims you want about my displeasure with such ubiquitous characters but the only thing that matters to me, and the only thing that should matter to you, is whether chess does or doesn't have an abundance of really, really bad losers. I claim that if you deny this then you are in the "see no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil" camp.
Chess has an inordinate number of bad losers and angry players. Do you deny it or not?
There are many actions people can take whilst playing chess which I would consider rude. Playing on a lost position is not one of them. IMO it just means that your opponent has a different perspective/opinion/reasoning as yourself.
A couple of things I consider rude are:
-Trying to distract the opponent
-Consistently offering a draw (in a lost position)
-Trashtalk
-Demanding anything (rematch/take back/draw/ extra time/ etc)
And in a lesser amount, claiming that your opponent should resign
In general I find players OTB to be polite but there certainly are exceptions.
Regarding the claim that chessplayers are more "angry."...
Well if you talk about top level. Yes, I would agree but I think it goes hand in hand with being a professional top performer. You need a drive to want to be the best, to become a strong professional. I see the same behavior with other top performers such as F1-drivers, football players, etc
A couple of things I consider rude are:
-Trying to distract the opponent
-Consistently offering a draw (in a lost position)
-Trashtalk
-Demanding anything (rematch/take back/draw/ extra time/ etc)
And in a lesser amount, claiming that your opponent should resign
In general I find players OTB to be polite but there certainly are exceptions.
Regarding the claim that chessplayers are more "angry."...
Well if you talk about top level. Yes, I would agree but I think it goes hand in hand with being a professional top performer. You need a drive to want to be the best, to become a strong professional. I see the same behavior with other top performers such as F1-drivers, football players, etc
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